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Badenstein · Apr 15, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

This thread is proof that GuildWars Guru is not the 1337 site they claim to be.

hunter, you seem to be baiting for flame. i sense you are a mountain troll.

Str0b0 · Apr 15, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

And no infinity is not undefined. It is only undefined in low level math. In higher level math, like quantum theory and other things that use real math not the kid stuff you get taught in school, infinity is a concrete and defineable concept. If I limited myself to algebra, and calculus then yes you're right but any time you start bringing infinity into the mix you automatically tread in the domain of higher math, particularly quantum mechanics, where the rules are different but also are more true than the arbitrary rules that lower level math works by. any quantum mathematics professor will tell you that the "undefined infinity" crap was put in there by lazy mathematicians who didn't wat to have to deal with concepts that had no practical application in basic mathematics. I believe my prof's exact words were,"Infinity is a concept that is easily defined if only people would stop trying to reduce it to a number and accept it for what it is, that being a variable that is equal to itself and only itself." Once you realize this then it becomes easy to deal with infinity as a mathematical concept.

M3lk0r · Apr 15, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

EDIT: not getting into this

Ira Blinks · Apr 15, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

This isnt school stuff. This is from York University course. Computer Science program.
Im tried of you. All you have said so far "no, you talk kids stuff, i know better". Yeah whatever big boy.

Lord Iowerth · Apr 15, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Could I introduce a more important point?

This isn't a math forum. I vaguely recall something mesmer and elementalist related way back on the first page or two, anyone else remember that? Great.

kthxbye.

Rayne Nightfyre · Apr 15, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

*slaps the OP* for making this foolish argument resurface.

That's all I'll say.

Str0b0 · Apr 15, 2006, 01:04 AM // 01:04

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

This isnt school stuff. This is from York University course. Computer Science program.
Im tried of you. All you have said so far "no, you talk kids stuff, i know better". Yeah whatever big boy.

I see so computer science qualifies you to understand quantum mathemtatics. Wow who'd have thought that any network admin could be the next Stephen Hawking. You lack the education to deal with the mathematical concepts so I won't continue the argument further both for the sake of staying on topic and for the sake of me keeping my patience. I feel like I'm trying to explain the workings of an internal combustion engine to cavemen.

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

You can not deny that both SS and Barrage are too powerful even compared to pre-aoe nerf ele spells. Fact that rangers werent used too much only meant that people are shortighted, and not that rangers suck.
How many eles left the game after that nerf? How many times we've been thrown "i dont stand under firestorm" argument in our face? Well guess what - I dont stand close to mates when they have SS on or attacked by Barrage either, so why do mobs do?

Let me make this easy for you...

You = human

Mob 1 = simulated human AI (it should move aware from AOE stuff)

Mob 2 = simulated animal AI (it should either run away in fear -- defeated or stupidly go in to a rage and get nuked)

I would be happy if not all the critters had the same reaction to AOE but with them all having the same reaction it does not make sense...

Heck with my R/Me I don't bother moving out of the way for most elemental AOE -- it gives me energy and barely scratches me.

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by hunter

*Sigh* Ok, it seems like some people didn't ready what i wrote... so going at it again.

1. My point was mainly for the highend areas. And i specificially said that i don't consider Hell's Priciples to be one of them due to how easy it is to complete. (Hence i don't care if your water Ele can farm it, THATS NOT MY POINT)

2. Some people said how useful their Eles and Mes were in their UW group. Obviously this doesn't hold much water because Monks and Monk based characters can SOLO that place. And no, i do not consider a solo Elementalist who is exploiting the 55 build to be an elementalist since we all know what kind of skills that elementalist will have in the hotbar as well as the attribute distribution.

3. There is a difference between doing it and doing it effectively. Just because you can clear FoW or UW with your happy group, and also getting something out of it doesn't mean that its the most efficient way. In fact its far from it. It has been proven that solo or duo farming UW and FoW is MUCH more efficient profit wise. So again, read my first post carefully.

4. SF and tombs. A b/p , mm and SS build will find a party spot much faster then a Ele. Do you honestly believe that a group will drop a b/p ranger for an elementalist or Mesmer? I didn't think so. So again, we have two classes that get the shaft in PVE.

PS: Solo troll farming does NOT count

With all of your caveats and lack of knowledge to the skills available it would be easier if you just said:

Me right!! You Wrong!! -- cause basically you haven't listened to what people are saying.

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by Lord Iowerth

Ok, two things I would like to point out ...

1) Solo farming ANYTHING is slower than taking a group, and I challenge anyone to prove me wrong ... even if it's a group of all the same build, it is still exponentially faster due to higher DPS, balance, etc. Yes, soloing nets you the highest profit, at the cost of time spent creeping about trying not to aggro too much and die, or using skills in a particular order.

and

2) Um, how many character slots do we have currently? 4? Roll another character already. If your retort to this is "but I don't like playing class X," that doesn't hold much water. "I really like to ride my bicycle, but they won't let me on the freeway with it." Well, sorry to say you can't drive your car through the bike paths in the middle of the park, either. Sometimes it's just not possible to have your cake and eat it too. You enjoy mesmers and eles? Great! I do as well, but I know their limitations and why it's hard to play in certain areas with them when another class is more suited to the monster type.

If you're dead-set on farming with your ele or mesmer: come up with a superb build to solo, or a way to add an ele or mes to an existing "cookie cutter" UW, FoW, SF, Tombs build ... then come back here and point fingers at us and laugh! Until you can though, don't be surprised if you get a bit of flaming

Sorry too busy farming to waste time laughing at you.

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

Im not sure if you noticed but you have just totaly supported my point. If I want to enjoy the game I have to forget about ele and make myself necro or whatever (which i in fact did). That does prove that eles and mesmers are broken in the first place.

Please leave my mesmer alone... I like it the way it is.

Thanks.

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 01:23 AM // 01:23

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

find yourself an algebra book or something...
Infinity has a limited set of allowed operations. Result of operation
Infinity - Infinity
is undefined.
Simply because
Infinity + Infinity = Infinity (and not 2x Infinity as you might have expect)

That is already given that i've let you get away with horrible misconcept of variable versus infinity value in A=B=C expression.

I will not attack this, but it would be fun to toy with you.

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Absolutely not. Infinity may not be terminated at a single number therefore it may not be added to ,but when working in terms of infinity it may indeed be subtracted from itself and divided into itself. The problem that you suggest only occurs when you try to subtract a finite number from or divide a finite number into infinity. If infinity could not be subtracted from itself then there would be no starting point for a time line. You could argue that infinity existed prior to the big bang but that is also a fallacy . As Stephen Hawking once pointed out, everything prior to the big bang did not effect anything afterwards and therefore is inconsequential. So infinity may indeed start from a given point and because of that it may also be reduced back to that point by subtracting it from itself. Even if you allow for omnidirectional expansion as a model of infinity that expansion must also start from a central point and therefore it can be reduced back to that point.

Umm....

First: Time is not something as you describe it above.
Second: The "big bang" is a theory.
Third: Assuming the "big bang" theory is correct then Stephen Hawking is incorrect in his assertion.

Infinity does not have a start nor an end, though for certain mathematics they do place limits on it.

Read some on Cantor's solution (for mathematics) ...

Basically the paradox is as such:

Which is larger the set of even integers or the set of integers?

One would instantly assume the set of integers, but since both sets are infinite that can not be true... can it?

Matsumi · Apr 15, 2006, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Hmm, ok, I was going to reply to this thread, but how about this?

Say a cat is trapped in a box in space that is spinning, inside the box is a nuclear bomb that would go off if the cat landed on its feet inside the box, triggering the switch on one side of the box. Now, while the box is spinning in space it's also being pulled into earth. The box is spinning at 8 revolutions per second. Once the box enters the earths atmosphere and begins to fall, will the bomb go off before or after it hits the ground?

lol

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

I see so computer science qualifies you to understand quantum mathemtatics. Wow who'd have thought that any network admin could be the next Stephen Hawking. You lack the education to deal with the mathematical concepts so I won't continue the argument further both for the sake of staying on topic and for the sake of me keeping my patience. I feel like I'm trying to explain the workings of an internal combustion engine to cavemen.

Can we talk about string theory then?

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

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Originally Posted by Matsumi

Hmm, ok, I was going to reply to this thread, but how about this?

Say a cat is trapped in a box in space that is spinning, inside the box is a nuclear bomb that would go off if the cat landed on its feet inside the box, triggering the switch on one side of the box. Now, while the box is spinning in space it's also being pulled into earth. The box is spinning at 8 revolutions per second. Once the box enters the earths atmosphere and begins to fall, will the bomb go off before or after it hits the ground?

lol

Well...

The box would never make it to the earth. Apriori knowledge.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Apr 15, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Treewalker: Double Post much?

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

Treewalker: Double Post much?

Very rarely do I double post... and most forum software makes it impossible.

I do however post a lot when responding to four pages of a thread when I am new to it... if only forum software would make it easy to quote multiple posts --- sigh.

Matsumi · Apr 15, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

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Originally Posted by Cymboric Treewalker

Well...

The box would never make it to the earth. Apriori knowledge.

Ok, now take the same situation and subtract the idea of atmospheric burn, and say that the cat is now tied to string inside the box, and if the string gets pulled hard enough the bomb also goes off. So, now there's 2 ways to trigger the switch.

Cymboric Treewalker · Apr 15, 2006, 02:11 AM // 02:11

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Originally Posted by Matsumi

Ok, now take the same situation and subtract the idea of atmospheric burn, and say that the cat is now tied to string inside the box, and if the string gets pulled hard enough the bomb also goes off. So, now there's 2 ways to trigger the switch.

Same answer ofcourse... the box would not make it to the earth. The cat would have babies and die before it did. Those babies would beget more cats and the leaking of radiation from the bomb would accelerate the genetic mutation in the species. Prior to the box entering the atmosphere the cats would evolve in to a two legged upright walking species that would workship fiji. These intelligent upright walking cats would engineer the box into a spaceship and never find their ultimate goal... but they would enjoy the company of a man named Lister and his companion Rimmer.